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two fisted tales of chris claremont!

Lilly
So she asks me how I feel about the sloppy retcon Claremont is pulling off over in Excalibur. Specifically, substituting Xorn/Magneto in Morrison's run with an unnamed "imposter".

And, being as I don't really care, I tell her I don't care.

"But it's horrible! It undermines Morrison's entire run on the book. Look at all this stuff on Millarworld"

I agree and then repeat that I really don't care. I add that it's my opinion that 30% of the regular MillarWorld posters are functionally illiterate.

"But it's stupid as fuck, how can you not care?"

It's like this: Yes it is a sloppy retcon. It does remind me of the way Byrne and Claremont sniped each other back when they were feuding. Claremont would write the X-Men vs. Dr. Doom and then a month later Byrne would reveal that the X-Men fought a robot. This went on for some time. This is what happens when you pay fatbears who never stopped being ten-year olds to write for you. However, it's work for hire, I expected this. This is why the only "X" related titles that get my cash are Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men and David Hine's District X. And Cable and Deadpool... it's a guilty pleasure, okay? Claremont made "how much Morrison's X-Men suck" the entire point of his run on *choke* "X-Treme X-Men". The fact that he's reversing everything he can get his hands on is not at all surprising. And you know what, I still don't care... it irritates me a little and I figure it's disrespectful and completely kills suspension of disbelief, but *shrug* I'm more than happy to pretend that Claremont isn't writing any X-books while I sit over here and read Seaguy.

Sumbliminal Message: READ SEAGUY!

But otherwise, when I find that I might actually be pissed off or displaying any other weird fanboyish reaction I think back to a story I was once told and suddenly, none of this crap matters...

You see, I have friends in the adult entertainment industry. I see none of you are surprised. Anyway, shortly after the first X-Men film came out, one of my friends in the adult entertainment industry was talking to me about stuff and asking me (since I was a "comic book guy") about X-Men and the like.

So I mention Claremont and she pauses... "Wait, this Chris Claremont guy is the guy who wrote X-Men?"

"Yes."

So then she tells me a story. You see, Claremont hangs around the outskirts of the BDSM scene. Anyone who has read enough of his work probably shouldn't be surprised by this. Anyway, it appears that he once hired a Dominatrix friend of my friend to: a) Dress like Storm and then b) fist him savagely. Apparently, he's had several people do this. My friend never understood the connection and just assumed it was a geek thing. I've had this story indepedently confirmed by one big name comics creator and one comics journalist.

Since that evening, whenever I've been tempted to go on a rant about how Claremont can't write, ect.. I just think of Claremont grunting away at his computer, writing his latest magnum opus, probably involving hot mind control action, fetishwear and lesbian tenticle sex; while a young woman dressed as Storm and making a thousand bucks an hour rams her rubber-gloved hand directly up his ass repeatedly.

Somehow, this usually makes everything better.

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[info]nute wrote:
Jun. 21st, 2004 01:36 pm (UTC)
Ah, the penalties a comic company pays for letting its writers supersede the editors. I get the feeling the old farts like the Claremont emulator (it's a C-64 with a tape drive, Claremont died in 1992!) and Byrne occasionally do shit like this while screaming "Continuity is for wimmenz!!!"

Ooh, hey, Ultimates...
[info]jim_smith wrote:
Jun. 21st, 2004 01:58 pm (UTC)
Ooh, hey, Ultimates...

Where? Unless you're sending this post from the future where John Kerry's president, the US is out of Iraq, and Miller and Hitch finally completed 20 measly pages of material.
[info]famularo wrote:
Jun. 21st, 2004 01:54 pm (UTC)
Wow. Just wow.

You know, when I was a wee lad collecting comics in middle school, I thought Claremont was the greatest comic writer there was. These days, I can barely get through one of his stories. The concepts are great, but dear god that man can't write narratives or dialogue worth shit.

I can't believe he retconned Magneto's death.
No... wait. Yes I can. This is the man who regularly killed characters and brought them back 2 issues later. He made the term "permanent" a complete joke.

At least there's still the Astonishing X-Men... Joss Wheedon is a lifeline.
[info]boztopia wrote:
Jun. 21st, 2004 01:54 pm (UTC)
A Fistful of Retcons
I live in fear of you sometimes, Kevin. ;)

Marvel is clearly ending their "Dead means dead" policy by bringing back Magneto. Of course, once Excalibur's sales slip and Claremont is off the book, the next writer will come in and retcon all of that, perhaps making this new Magneto an imposter himself. (Remember Joseph?)

Claremont obviously couldn't stand the fact that Morrison junked all the concepts he'd spent years establishing, and people liked the latter's work better. So now that he's gone, everything old is new again.

Except it isn't. I enjoy the books, but to use an example, I have no doubt Cannonball will survive his seemingly life-ending injury at the hands of Claremont's latest invulnerable foe. No shock, no surprise, no lump in throat. Morrison totally shocked me with the Xorn/Magneto revelation, the Jean death, and Wolverine's revenge. Those stories may be trashed now, but they will be renewed as important once the next batch of X-Writers come along.

And I hate the return of the costumes. They're ugly and gaudy, and a hunter/tracker like Wolverine should never, ever, wear bright yellow and blue. I like Bishop's look, but that's because it's reminiscent of his cool XSE outfit.

I wonder if we can replace Claremont's current fister du jour with the chick who's gotten Larry Wachowski tamed. Can you imagine the "Matrix"-style plots Claremont would be writing then? :)
[info]boztopia wrote:
Jun. 21st, 2004 02:13 pm (UTC)
On the subject of
shitty writing, have you seen the bottom-feeding crap that Chuck Austen is doing over in "X-Men"?

Iceman and Havok fighting over Mary Sue the nurse. Gambit and Rogue relegated to third-stringers. Gambit blinded for no good reason. The return of Xorn, also for no good reason.

As I told Mikey, Austen makes Claremont look like the authors of the Magna Carta. I've been reading the X-Books for 17 years straight, through the horrors of Scott Lobdell and the Seagle/Kelly run, and nothing's made me come this close to ditching them before.

Ironically, "Weapon X", written by a guy I thought was a total hack--Frank Tieri--is actually getting good. It's taking the detritus of Morrison's concepts and using them smartly.
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[info]jim_smith wrote:
Jun. 21st, 2004 02:04 pm (UTC)
Just to play devil's advocate...
In Claremont's defense, exactly how many times has Magneto died and come back, anyway? Didn't Lobdell have Wolverine stab him to death right before Morisson brought him back...only to blow him up with Genosha and then bring him back again?

Seriously, can I get a tally on this? It's not like I pay much attention to the All-New, All-Fistable X-Men.

Hey, Kevin, you know any dominatrices who look like Songbird...?
[info]boztopia wrote:
Jun. 21st, 2004 03:16 pm (UTC)
Dude
I'll swap you Songbird for Black Widow. I think a kinky leather-clad Russian babe like Natasha knows her way around "fisticuffs", if you get my meaning. :)
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[info]dirtgrrl wrote:
Jun. 21st, 2004 02:27 pm (UTC)
You are an amazing man! beautiful tale, my friend. thank you.
[info]ajpursell wrote:
Jun. 21st, 2004 03:36 pm (UTC)
I remember
begging Claremont to get off the book. Plotlines to be wrapped up, the X-Men are dead and hiding in Australia being stupid.

This is why I stopped reading the moment I decided Chuck Austen was pandering to the editors and he was a crap writer.

Marvel has just gone straight back to the early 90s again.
[info]moonandserpent wrote:
Jun. 22nd, 2004 11:14 am (UTC)
Re: I remember
If it's any indication just how bad the editors have gotten, Austen has left the book (his last ish is #170) because he got tired of the editorial mandates. (Like "bring back Xorn".)

Still, this is also the man who talks excitedly on the X2 DVD about Nightcrawler's two wangs.


[info]catskillz wrote:
Jun. 23rd, 2004 10:49 am (UTC)
This is the BEST STORY EVAH, except for the fact that now I'm actually visualizing it. Wahhhh, no, get out of my head nasty Claremont man, noooo ...

(and you want weird - I found my way to this journal entry through the Friends page of a totally-unrelated-to-anything other friend of mine from school. So weird!)
[info]stanleylieber wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2004 08:55 am (UTC)
Hey, I recognize you...
[info]skeletorgo wrote:
Jun. 27th, 2004 03:21 pm (UTC)
May I say that I have added you because this is the greatest story ever told.
[info]mbb_blissett wrote:
Jun. 27th, 2004 04:32 pm (UTC)
Well, it takes all kinds I guess!
[info]foenix wrote:
Jun. 28th, 2004 05:29 am (UTC)
"Claremont made "how much Morrison's X-Men suck" the entire point of his run on *choke* "X-Treme X-Men"."

And that's why XTXM was the best X-Book of the last few years.

Mwahahah. ;)

<-Loving Excalibur.

J
[info]moonandserpent wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2004 03:00 pm (UTC)
But you have no taste. I got used to that concept ages ago :)
[info]chastmastr wrote:
Jun. 28th, 2004 02:27 pm (UTC)
Wow. I'm not sure if (as a practicing kinkster myself) I should be pleased or disturbed. Certainly I've wondered just how far he goes with some of these things; I knew some elements of his stories were definitely scene-related but wasn't sure he was actually into it himself. (I'm actually a tad disappointed he only "hangs around the outskirts," but then I'm told John Norman of Gor fame isn't involved in the scene directly either.) And I forgot that straight people fist too!

On the one hand, some of his scenarios contributed to my own interests (I would pay a FORTUNE for some of the exotic restraint devices I've seen various of his characters in!); on the other hand, I really don't want to imagine Storm fisting anyone... (And also on the other hand, I notice it's always the bad guys doing this stuff. No chance of a side comment about, say, two characters making sure they have the handcuffs on hand, in what's obviously a consensual relationship?)

Interestingly, Morrison played the kink factor much more seriously on his run...

David in DC
PS: Nice interest list, I see... ;)
[info]jencendiary wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2004 03:15 am (UTC)
Apparently, from my friends of friends, John Norman's wife is as tall as he is and about twice as large. Being a large lady, I'm gonna say there ain't anything wrong with that. I'm just gonna say. . .Gor sounds like the wishful splurnings of a henpecked husband.

Hehe.
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[info]dreamhunter wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2004 07:18 am (UTC)
*dies laughing*
oh my, this explains everything. i swear, i will never be able to look at a picture of chris claremont again without picturing Storm all lubed up and ready to go. ew.

makes me kinda wonder what's Chuck Austen's secret hang-up to produce something as bad as the two recent Xmen issues (or everything else by him for that matter).
[info]lots42 wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2004 08:00 am (UTC)
Two issues of Josh talking with Sammy would have been cool. But Austen put in the X-Men getting their asses kicked by Chinese immortals. And one had knives for legs.

KNIVES.

For LEGS.

Christ.
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[info]fulldamage wrote:
Jun. 29th, 2004 01:09 pm (UTC)
I can't begin to tell you...
... how many speculative conversations I've had on this topic (okay, TOO many), that you have now confirmed. Thank you, sir. The pain in my heart has eased... I can now begin to pretend Claremont stopped writing a decade ago, once again.

[info]shadesong wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2004 07:19 am (UTC)
...

...

...this is without a doubt the best post of the day thus far.

[info]murnkay directed me here. Because he likes to break my brain.

I now cannot get that image out of my head. I am mentally scarred. But then, I'm accustomed to that.

Also. Yes. Excalibur is sucking. It is sucking quite vigorously. I'm not a fan of Millar, though...
[info]shadesong wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2004 07:36 am (UTC)
Also, I am now directing people over here; I apologize in advance.
[info]auryn29a wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2004 08:18 am (UTC)
Aaaaaa! My mind's eye!
[info]mslorelei wrote:
Jul. 1st, 2004 11:23 am (UTC)
Your link to fisting refers to vaginal fisting -- quite a feat even for an X-Domme, given that this is a male Chris. Check out this site for a step-by-step guide with pictures, Jack Rinella's site for discussions of the emotional and spiritual issues, and this site for a thoughtful discussion of safety issues.
[info]moonandserpent wrote:
Jul. 2nd, 2004 10:13 am (UTC)
You're absolutely right, I didn't have a good anal fisting link at hand when I was writing that.

Wow. That Rinella site is really interesting.
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[info]davidandersson wrote:
Jul. 5th, 2004 05:13 pm (UTC)
Believability?
I admit that I think this makes sense from what I can understand of Claremont's personality in the stories I've read that were authored by him. That said, this account is more than a bit strange, is there any chance you could make it more believable by naming the comics journalist or comics writer? (How do you know those guys so well anyway?)

All the best
[info]moonandserpent wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2004 02:46 pm (UTC)
Re: Believability?
Believability is not the point. And no, I'm not going to name names. If you don't believe it, it's no skin off my back. As for how I know them? Claremont I've never met, but as I said.. friend of a friend... and the pro and the journalist who have also heard this tale? Met 'em in bars at cons.
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[info]postimmediately wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2004 11:44 pm (UTC)
IMMEDIATELY!
[info]iragav73 wrote:
Oct. 13th, 2008 09:02 am (UTC)
ммм...
[info]mauser wrote:
Nov. 25th, 2011 03:14 am (UTC)
Original Storm or Mowhawk Storm?

(It makes a difference *grin*)

(linked from the TVTropes "Author Appeal" page)
[info]shakalooloo wrote:
May. 12th, 2012 12:09 am (UTC)
So, does Chris Claremont know that the Internet knows..?
[info]moonandserpent wrote:
May. 13th, 2012 07:04 pm (UTC)
Yeah. Yeah he does. :(



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